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Friday, September 26, 2008

McCain vs. Obama 1

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(Forgive the spelling errors)

8:22 PM
Why does McCain keep fouling off Obama's softballs on taxes?
Obama wants tax cuts for those who don't pay taxes!
Tax cuts for "rich" means more money to hire people. Why doesn't McCain hit this one out of the park!

8:25 PM
Obama complains about Big Oil profits again, charges that McCain apposes energy bill because it strips away tax breaks to Big Oil -- that is, it raises taxes on Big Oil, which means higher prices at the pump. McCin has no time for a response.

8:27 PM
Forgot to mention, McCain did score points on cutting spending. Just made a good point to oppose ethanol spending.
Earlier, he did make agood case for tax cuts to business. US tax rate is 35%, Ireland is 11%. High US tax rates encourage business to invest overseas rather than here.

8:31 PM
McCain charged that Obama has the most liberal voting record. Obama says his liberal record just means that he has opposed George Bush while he's been in congress (did he mean in The Senate?)

8:33 PM
Energy. McCain -- we're sending $700 billion overseas for oil. Alternative sources good, drilling for oil and nuclear plants better now and more immediate benefit.

8:35 PM
Obama charges that we are "spending" $300 on tax cuts. Come on John, hit this out, we don't "spend" on tax cuts.
McCain says he is afraid of handing health care over to the government.
McCain -- healthy economy with low taxes without raises taxes is best. Urges to bring spending under control.
Obama -- charges that Bush has presided over increase in spending over past 8 years [what about last two years??]
McCain - says he's not Miss Congeniality and has opposed Bush on spending and other issues.

8:39 PM
Lessons in Iraq
McCain - ability to change strategy. We are winning in Iraq. Troops will come home in victory. We will come home when we win in Iraq and not in defeat.
Obama - claims to have opposed war six years ago. Says we aren't finished in Afgahnistan, Iraq a distraction. Claims Al Qeada is stronger now than in 2001.

8:42 PM
Obama - we did not use military wisely in Iraq.
McCain - next president will not have to decide whether to go to Iraq, but what condition we leave Iraq in.

8:44 PM
Obama - focusing on start of war. Claims McCain was wrong to support war in beginning.
McCain - talks of visiting 600 troops who signed-up to continue the fight. They told McCain "let us win." PEace and prosperity is coming to Iraq. McCain is goin strong here and dominating this issue.

8:47 PM
Obama - charges that Afgahnistan is deteriating, presumably because we are in Iraq. We need more troops in Afgahnistan.
McCain - points out that Petraus and Bin Laden both agree that IRAQ is the battlefield for Al Qaeda. Snatching defeat from jaws of victory and folowing Ob ama's plan will make both Iraq and Afgahnistan more dangerous. [Can't type fast enough to get everything]

8:51 PM
Obama - says we don't have enough troops in Afgahnistan because we have too many in Iraq. Must press Afgahn gov to make sure they are working for people. Must deal with growing popy trad.
McCain - won't repeat mistake in Afgahnistan to have won then retreated. Not prepared to cu off aid to PAkisan nor to threaten it. You don't do these things out loud (as Obama did) without being ready to back it up. More troops in Afgahnistan not enough. Need new strategy, like the one in Iraq -- the one that Obama didn't like.

8:55 PM
McCain - there have been more troops in Afgahnistan, 20,000, need to allow Petraus to employ his strategy
Obama - charges that McCain had a song about bombing Iran
McCain - Opposed Lebenan attack in 80's, supported firs Gulf War, runs down more military events where he voted correctly and was vindicated -- highlights experience as Commander In Chef material. Says he knows what its like to be in an army that was defeated. We will not be defeated in Iraq -- and need to go back because we left too early.

9:01 PM
Obama - we took our eye off Afgahnitan because we are in Iraq -- as if we can only fight one place at a time. Isn't this the same guy that said the President must be able to do more than one thing at a time?
McCain - Obama's set date or withdrawl will lead to defeat and harm our security.

9:03 PM
Threat from Iran:
McCain - Iran with n ukes threatens Isreal and other states in region -- encourages other states to get nuke. Russians preventing succes in (UN) security council. Promotes joining forces with othr democracie. Points that Iran is putting most lethal IUDs in Iraq. Iran is sponsor of terror - points out that Obama thought that charge was too provocative.
Obama - now says he believes that Iran is terrorist friendly. Iran's influence has grown. Policy hasn't worked. McCain is right, cannot have nukes in Iran.

9:08 PM
McCain - Obama says he will sit down with Chavez, Achmadimijad without preconditions. Has trouble saying Achmadimijad (I can't spell it).
Obama - says Achmadimijad isn't he mst powerful leader in Iran, but will researve right to meet with anyone. Tries to redefine "preconditions". Says he will sit down once "prepare" describes "prepare". Sounds like "preconditions".

9:12 PM
McCain - "I'm not going to set the White House visiting schedule yet ... I don't even hae a seal". Points out that meeting with Achmadimijad legitimizes him.
Obama - still trying to redefine his "without preconditions" positions -- sill dancing.

9:15 PM
Royals 7, Twins 1 -- after 6 innings
Indians 9, White Sox 6 -- after 5 innings
Pizza is here. Pausing...

9:20 PM
Obama - wanrs of return to cold war with Russia
McCain - Obama's first reaction to Russia's invasion of Georgia was for both to settle down. Points out that Russia was the aggressor and demonstrates full command of the subject -- I think he clearly sounds more presidential.

9:23 PM
Obama - [back on energy] says we only have 3% of world's population, but use 25% of world's oil. [Must interject. We use 25% of oil that is sold -- not of oil that is available. There's a difference. We use that much only because few other nations are capable -- because we are more productive. But other nations are catching up.]
McCain - offshore drilling is important, a bridge to allow us to develop other sources.

9:27 PM
McCain - America is safer now than on 9/11. Will not torture. Have come a long way. Safer now, but long way to go.
Obama - we are safer in soime ways, but long way to go. Biuggest threat is suitcase nukes. Says he believes in missle defense, but suggests that we are too focussed on it. Says we need to be more "respected" around the world.

9:31 PM
McCain- if we fail in Iraq, it encourages Al Qaeda and gives them a base in Iraq.
Obama - says Bush and McCain solely focussed on Iraq. Bin LAden still out there, Al Qeada getting stronger. [Doesn't know that Al Qaeda is being defeated in Iraq - in the land that Al Qaeda is says is their battlefield.]
McCain - I've been involved in almost every major military action in past 20-25 years. Says Obama is not ready and has ben wrong to ofen. Says Obama still dosn't agree that the surge worked. Points out that he knows the vets and cares for them. He doesn't need any "on the job training".
Obama - says his father came from Keny and wanted to come to the US because no other country inspires anyone. Claims that we are no longer that country.
McCain - say vets being treatd badly when he came home from prison. Woked to heal wounds of war and work with friends and adversaries of war.

CONCLUSION:
From one who has followed politics and these matters, McCain clearly demonstrated both knowledge and passion for cuttin spending and winning in Iraq. He clearly came across as the one most qaulified to command our armed forces.

I thought he missed golden opportunities to knock down the charge that tax cuts must be "paid for". He also missed the chance to make a stronger case for cutting taxes -- those with money invest in companies who hire those who don't have money. Allowed Obama to get away with offering tax cuts to poor -- who don't pay taxes.

McCain sounded like he was in command of the issues. Obama came accross more like a college debator.

For those more -- pardon me -- ignorant to the facts, Obama might have satisfied them. Let's face it. There are a lot of people who believe the Democrat talking pointsand Obama delivered them. This may make them happy.

Royals 8, Twins 1 -- bottom of 8th
Indians 11, White Sox 6 -- top of 7th
Pizza is getting cold.

UPDATE:
Listening to post debate coverage and interview with "independants", most of whom were more moved by Obama. They thought Obama "cared more" and complained that McCain spent too much time talking about the past. This doesn't give me high hopes for the intelligent of voters.

One young woman actually said she doesn't care about McCains past. She wants to know about now and the future - exactly a thinker here. McCain's historical perspective and accuracy during past matters of foregn affairs goes straight to the question of qualifications for this job. Contrast this with Obama's inexperience and poor judgement in recent history. He still doesn't think the surge was a good idea. But, he cares more???

Obama's fumbling efforts to re-define what he meant about meeting with foriegn dictators without preconditions was downright embarassing. McCain was all over this.

I wonder. If that phone rings at 3:00 AM and, Heaven forbid, Obama answers, what would he do? Forward the call to Biden?

Obama was able to blame current matters - both economical and foriegn affairs - on "the past 8 years. I hope McCain is better prepared for this during the next debate. Lots of things have changed during the last two years -- since Democrats took control of Congress and of the national check book.

So who won? We will have to see who wins the post debate war. It seems to me that McCain has far more material for his rapid ads. Such ads are bound to give pundits more ammunition in the days to come.

The next debate is scheduled to be all economy. Conventional wisdom says that Obama has the edge. But, only if McCain lets Obama spread the myth that taxing the rich will not hurt the poor. McCain needs to point out that true trickle-down economics is taxing billions out of the private sector, funneling most of it into bureaucratic black holes, then trickling loose change into the hands of the intended recipients. Promoting class warefare through the politics of envy is NOT the key to economic prosperity.


Twins lose 1-8
White Sox lose 8-11
Twins remain ahead in their division by 1/2 game.

2 Comments:

Anonymous Daisy said...

And one more thing to this apt discernment of the average voter: They 'feel' that nothing is worth fightin' for. And to define "fightin" as meaning arguing or debating or demonstrating the wrongness of an opponents' principles or voting record. ( we should all just get along-attitude)Frankly, there ARE many things worth fighting for: ie FREEDOM. But it's not just the average voter that thinks this way."Don't fight, please, I won't vote for someone who argues or points out faults." This attitude permeates Republicans in 50B too. And the fact of the matter is that you have to make waves to get anywhere or let the oppositon take you along their merry current to socialism.
Good job re: "...Listening to post debate coverage and interview with "independants", most of whom were more moved by Obama. They thought Obama "cared more" and complained that McCain spent too much time talking about the past. This doesn't give me high hopes for the intelligent of voters.

One young woman actually said she doesn't care about McCains past. She wants to know about now and the future - exactly a thinker here. McCain's historical perspective and accuracy during past matters of foregn affairs goes straight to the question of qualifications for this job. Contrast this with Obama's inexperience and poor judgement in recent history. He still doesn't think the surge was a good idea. But, he cares more???..."

9/28/2008 8:21 AM  
Blogger G-Man said...

I saw that focus group. I have my doubts whether those were truly independents and whether each of those who claimed to have voted Republican in 2004 actually did.

Funny thing. Many Democrats supporters and so-called independents get mad about Republicans who "go negative" by pointing out their opponent's record. They claim that such negative ads move them to vote for Democrats. But, wasn't it Obama blaming everything from Iraq to the mortgage crisis on "8 years of failed Bush" policies? Weren't Democrats blaming the 35W bridge collapse on Governor Pawlenty's veto of the gas tax?

It is as if these voters have a moron chip in their heads that filters out the blame game played by Democrats, but transposes a Republican's citation of a Democrat's record into hate. This is a level of irrationality that I will never understand.

9/29/2008 12:02 AM  

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